Rubilacxe
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When I posed the question about using a voice to pc program to "write" a story, I knew well its issues having tried it and gave it up for the reasons already noted here. However, I hoped that someone had figured out what I could not--a way to make it work.
As I think about the responses so far, it is clear that there is something that happens when finger hit the keyboard or the pencil scrawls its way through a story. Though we can not now do this, I wonder if there was a way for thought transfer to paper if that would be the "breakthrough" that is needed to make this kind of thing work. I don't really think so.
There is something almost magic about how being forced to be slower as in typing or writing long hand aids the creative process in some undefined way. I think there is a synergy in putting ones fingers to keys even though it can be a painful process at times.
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All of which makes me realise how fast we are moving with our technology.
Des' comment brings up another question for me. Have any of you tried using voice technology such as Dragon Speaking to talk in your stories? If so, do you see it as an advantage or merely easier? Perhaps you discovered it was harder to use than the assumed result would be.
Curious...
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We are so centred around writing for authors, that I wonder if we shouldn't have a thread to discuss the relationship of author and reader.
Clearly, an author without readers especially without feedback from readers is an unfulfilling universe and devoid of support. Readers without an author who encourages feedback is also an arid place.
I agree with Des that perhaps another thread is needed or at least to be able to expand this one to include the needs of readership along with those or authorship.
I also think that the piece that Des offered as description of what voices can do for a story was instructive. I would hope that others could similarly post items the further the discussion around the uses of voices in supporting a story.
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A veritable Symphony of Words, Brandon! I find it fascinating how you alternate the imagery between the poppy and the rest of the scape. This duality is often what makes all of our authors find their step and beat as well as their voice.
Thanks so much!
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By any chance, has anyone ever seen or better yet can copy and paste to this thread, a table of voices and their strengths and weaknesses so that authors might view this?
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Brandon, as Pecman noted in the thread Lem:
Read Orson Scott Card's Elements of Writing Fiction - Characters & Viewpoint" (Writers Digest Press), or Alicia Rasley's The Power Of Point Of View: Make Your Story Come To Life.While I too abhor Card's religious homophobia, he does write fiction well and these books will give you insights on how to do it/improve it.
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Which I can best explain by saying I can't help thinking in terms of pentimenti images that come from a prose that is almost portamento.
Well put, Des!
I also agree with Jason that an entire story in this form would be difficult to maintain, but who knows, Brandon might just be able to make it work for us.I think it would be difficult to maintain as well but I'd sure love to see Brandon try and make it work!
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Just for clarity of meaning,'prosaic' is generally thought to mean dull, ordinary and lacking wit. Long ago it was used as the adjectival form of prose, but at that time, 'prose' itself was thought to mean the pedestrian form of writing, as opposed to poetry, which was considered the fanciful and imaginative form of written expression.
While I suppose "it is a prosaic form of one of Debussy's Tone Poem musical pieces..." is actually the anachronistically correct way to say this, it comes across as opposite in meaning to what is wanted. I think substituting the word 'prose' for 'prosaic' would be closer to what I assume your intended meaning was.
Or I should probably just butt out.
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Cole, you are absolutely correct! No reason to ever butt out. Though my head said "prose", my olden self chose the word meaning the way it was originally used oh so long ago.
In the end, I feel that the piece is a prose poem which is what I finally said after lapsing into olden speak.
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This isn't narrative, matter of fact this isn't even fiction. In no way would I label this as anything but prose in it's purest and most beautiful form.
In fact, Jason, evoking a comment on another 'Brandon' thread, it is a prosaic form of one of Debussy's Tone Poem musical pieces. A truly remarkable and evocative prose poem.
Thanks Brandon!
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Certainly Debussy's work leaned heavily on letting his creativity find its way via impressions of his aural world as opposed to his visual one. You, Brandon, use the written world to evoke a visual one as well coupled with situations that engender thoughtful musings on the part of the reader.
All artists look at similes in the medium they are most familiar with. I would enjoy reading poetry that you attempt Brandon. But, whether it be poetry or prose, I'm sure the effect will be similar. The important point is to continue writing and writing and writing ...
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Brandon, truly wonderfully written - a prose Debussy if you will.
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I understand what Brandon is saying; however, for me I'd side more with Cole -- it's not so much I want a "nice" and "happy" ending but rather I'd prefer to feel better for having read and internalized a story/body of work then to feel I've seen a real slice of life with all its warts.
I think a story such as "Discovering Love" is an example of that and so, in its own way, is "Duck, Duck, Goose".
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I swear, some day, I'm going to build a temple to Rick Beck. Yes. So nice.
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Good eye, Trab. Very good eye.
Trab and Brandon -- very true and on target! I remember Rick's story when it was Discovering Greg but it still resonates strongly today as it did back when. Wonderfully sculpted characters who go beyond the norm in morphing into characters that you just want to hug in the end.
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Black River -- Brandon T.
Very kewl!
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It is quite different from his other works which tend to be coming of age tales.
I can see how it would not sit comfortably side by side with Falling off a Log or some of his other stories.
Sudden Storm is a Coming of Age story. The protagonist goes through a life altering event which follows him throughout his life. In fact, I would say that this is one of the common threads throughout Driver's works.
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I won't stop you from discussing his works however Driver has made it known that he prefers people do not discuss his works. Although you may not understand his reasons, it would be appreciated by him if you didn't discuss his works :)
I can say from personal experience that Driver always welcomed discussion about his work. Like all of us who write, he needed some affirmation that the effort was worth it, especially given what he had to personally go through over the years as a result of having written these stories.
He did, however, eschew the need to dissect each story and especially to glean into his personal life which he has always held sacrosanct.
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It seems to this reader that the posters are using tne "spoiler" when it is not needed. Wibby's statements and Camy's replies don't really contain "spoiler" items. They "do" discuss the central issues of Wibby's story and why he wrote it the way he did.
I think that for readers, any mechanisms which make it harder for them to hear the various sides and to state their own obfuscates the purpose of a forum.
Free will is a quintessential question and concept for all sentient creatures, be they human or whatever else.
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I'm going to partially disagree with Trab. Not about the "welcome" but about your story. I really like your writing style. It's not that there's too much description, it's that there's too much description without anything happening. You need some action in there amongst the descriptions.
I'd have to agree with Wibby. I, too, like your style but feel that more action and less paragraph length would aid the reader as well.
I certainly don't want you to stop - please post more!
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Interesting new story. Well crafted with just enough of Brave New World and antithesis of Animal Farm.
I am reminded of a walk through St. Petersburg in the afternoon rain back in 1996. My host, a graduate of the Univ. of St. Petersburg, brought me to a walkway between several large University buildings.
He stopped and said, "Can you hear them?"
I listened very carefully until I heard, very faintly, howling of dogs.
"They're coming from Pavlov's laboratory - it's still being used today."
And so conditioning continues...
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Am I the only one that is up-set by this article?
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Jason
Not so much upset as in a quandry. Both from a legal perspective (equal rights to all) and from
a medical perspective (Hippocratic Oath), the doctors should have dealt with requirements not
the result of any personal beliefs. Either that, or they should opt out of the profession.
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A tutorial for Pecman:
Tres kewl!
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7/10 for me.
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Not to worry -- the group is still there on Giganews and Buzzard News, among many other 3rd-party Usenet providers.
I couldn't live without Usenet, and I rue the day that the major ISPs like Road Runner and Comcast dropped the Usenet Newsgroups. Jerks.
I believe the group is alt.binaries.e-book.technical, not .ebook.technical.
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For me, this piece reminds me of a camping trip in Northern Quebec after having travelled several hundred miles to the campground. There we me with the other campers and soon were added to their "fest" where we had baked beans that had been baked for two days in a large pit filled with burning logs to surround the 'pot'.
After having our meal, I wandered away from the fires and the noise and the people to come to a knoll where I looked up at the heavens and beheld the stars, the innumerable stars, the majesty of them and my awe at all of this while basking in the silence of the glow in a place much like those of yesteryear when things were simpler, cleaner, and basic.
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A Question of Tense Within POV
in Writers' Workshop
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Long ago for me, I was in college and had submitted a short story to our university's review board for publishing. They refused to accept it unless I changed the three tenses I used throughout the piece to one tense. There contention, which I vehemently refused to accept, was that it was too confusing for the reader and unnecessary.
Time has passed, much "water over the dam"so to speak. The editors were right and I was obstinate without recourse. I'd suggest thinking about it some more remembering that the reader's ease in reading can often trump "special effects" that seem relevant to the author but not so to anyone else.